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Share Bear
Just reading an article in The Business which starts with:

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On this day in 1929 America's stock market was hit by a selling wave of more than 12m shares. Five days later, on 29 October, the daily selling total soared to 16m shares. The market lost 47% of its value in 26 days, and 89% by the time it finally bottomed, on July 8 1932. Within two years 12m Americans were out of work, hundreds of banks and 20,000 companies had gone bust. It took 25 years for the market to recover. The pre-crash peak of 381.17 on 3 September 1929 was not passed again until 23 November 1954.


OUCH!!!

http://www.thebusinessonline.com/modules/n...p?id=23915&s=9&

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Christopher
If you search Google there is plenty on the 1929 crash. Here is but one:

Stock Market Crash

1929 - The stock market crash ushered in the Great Depression.

What made the stock market crash? Here's a brief summary.

Capital is the tools needed to produce things of value out of raw materials. Buildings and machines are common examples of capital. A factory is a building with machines for making valued goods. Throughout the twentieth century, most of the capital in the United States was represented by stocks. A corporation owned capital. Ownership of the corporation in turn took the form of shares of stock. Each share of stock represented a proportionate share of the corporation. The stocks were bought and sold on stock exchanges, of which the most important was the New York Stock Exchange located on Wall Street in Manhattan.

Throughout the 1920s a long boom took stock prices to peaks never before seen. From 1920 to 1929 stocks more than quadrupled in value. Many investors became convinced that stocks were a sure thing and borrowed heavily to invest more money in the market.

But in 1929, the bubble burst and stocks started down an even more precipitous cliff. In 1932 and 1933, they hit bottom, down about 80% from their highs in the late 1920s. This had sharp effects on the economy. Demand for goods declined because people felt poor because of their losses in the stock market. New investment could not be financed through the sale of stock, because no one would buy the new stock.

But perhaps the most important effect was chaos in the banking system as banks tried to collect on loans made to stockmarket investors whose holdings were now worth little or nothing at all. Worse, many banks had themselves invested depositors' money in the stockmarket. When word spread that banks' assets contained huge uncollectable loans and almost worthless stock certificates, depositors rushed to withdraw their savings. Unable to raise fresh funds from the Federal Reserve System, banks began failing by the hundreds in 1932 and 1933.

By the inauguration of Franklin D. Roosevelt as president in March 1933, the banking system of the United States had largely ceased to function. Depositors had seen $140 billion disappear when their banks failed. Businesses could not get credit for inventory. Checks could not be used for payments because no one knew which checks were worthless and which were sound.

Roosevelt closed all the banks in the United States for three days - a "bank holiday." Some banks were then cautiously re-opened with strict limits on withdrawals. Eventually, confidence returned to the system and banks were able to perform their economic function again. To prevent similar disasters, the federal government set up the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation, which eliminated the rationale for bank "runs" - to get one's money before the bank "runs out." Backed by the FDIC, the bank could fail and go out of business, but then the government would reimburse depositors. Another crucial mechanism insulated commercial banks from stock market panics by banning banks from investing depositors' money in stocks.
yiyack
The chart of the Nasdaq's decline and partial recovery since the bubble burst in 2000, superimposed on the same timescale as the Dow's collapse in 1929, ..... they look very similar, like trackers. I wonder if it will take 25 years for the Nasdaq to recover?
The UK Techmark collapsed even worse than the Nas - scary thought.
Share Bear
Fundamentally the Nasdaq is still way overvalued at it's current level, imho. I doubt in my lifetime (and I'm only 25 now) we'll ever see the Nasdaq get back to old highs on reasonable fundamental valuations.

Of course - if we get another bubble who knows!!!

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Ciao
Never say never

When the first plane crossed the Atlantic…
They though was the arriving…..
would they ever have guessed
that in the late sixty the man landed on the moon????

Another “dot.com” will be hard to come….
but when the world get together again …..
something will definitively come …..

not if but when….IMO
too positive???? Maybe…. But I am never negative
oswestry rambler
It's interesting to note that Winstone Churchill was actually looking down from the gallary at all the mayhem going on in the stock exchange on that day. He was on a visit to New York at the time. The day after the crash he was woke up by a crowd of people gathered outside his residence, witnesses to a man who had jumped 15 floors to his death from the same building.

A really detailed and opinionated examination of the background to the crash can be found at http://www.tarpley.net/29crash.htm


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Share Bear
An interesting article:

http://www.holisticjunction.com/displayarticle.cfm?ID=810
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Alec Wilder, a songwriter in New York in 1929, interviewed by Stud Terkel in "Hard Times" four decades later, described this typical exchange with his money manager:

"I knew something was terribly wrong because I heard bellboys, everybody, talking about the stock market. About six weeks before the Wall Street Crash, I persuaded my mother in Rochester to let me talk to our family adviser. I wanted to sell stock which had been left me by my father. He got very sentimental: 'Oh your father wouldn't have liked you to do that.' He was so persuasive, I said O.K. I could have sold it for $160,000. Four years later, I sold it for $4,000."


Share Bear
Another interesting snippet from the above link:
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John Campbell and Robert Shiller, author of "Irrational Exuberance", calculated, in a joint paper titled "Valuation Ratios and the Lon-Run Market Outlook: An Update" posted on Yale University' s Web Site, that share prices divided by a moving average of 10 years worth of earnings reached 28 just prior to the crash. Contrast this with 45 on March 2000.

In an NBER working paper published December 2001 and tellingly titled "The Stock Market Crash of 1929 - Irving Fisher was Right", Ellen McGrattan and Edward Prescott boldly claim: "We find that the stock market in 1929 did not crash because the market was overvalued. In fact, the evidence strongly suggests that stocks were undervalued, even at their 1929 peak."

According to their detailed paper, stocks were trading at 19 times after-tax corporate earning at the peak in 1929, a fraction of today's valuations even after the recent correction. A March 1999 "Economic Letter" published by the Federal Reserve Bank of San-Francisco wholeheartedly concurs. It notes that at the peak, prices stood at 30.5 times the dividend yield, only slightly above the long term average
Share Bear
Here's a good site with lots of info about the crash (although I have'nt read any of it yet):

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/crash/sfeatur..._headlines.html
Share Bear
Holy ****!

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/crash/timeline/timeline2.html
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October 24: "Black Thursday." The economic bubble finally bursts. Stock prices fall sharply on a day of heavy liquidation. Ticker tape runs four hours later than normal at a volume of 12.9 million shares. Headlines will report the market's paper loss at $5 billion. A pool of bankers act to stem the drop by putting more money into the market, and President Hoover reassures Americans that U.S. business is sound. Within a few days, a headline will read, "Brokers Believe Worst is Over and Recommend Buying of Real Bargains."

October 28: "Black Monday." The stock market falls 22.6%, the highest one-day decline in U.S. history. The crash triggers similar declines in markets around the world.

October 29: "Black Tuesday." Panic sets in as investors all try to sell their stocks at once. Over 16 million shares of stock are sold, setting a record -- and the market records over $14 billion in paper losses. Stock tickers cannot keep up with the heavy trading volume. At the end of the day, the market is down 33 points, more than 12.8%. Some of the nation's financial elite, including General Motors' William C. Durant and the Rockefeller family, show confidence by buying stocks, but their efforts fail to stem the tide.
Share Bear
This is good:

1927-1933 Chart of Pompous Prognosticators
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Share Bear
The great fiscal stimulus package ... of 1929

By Michael Kitchen, MarketWatch
Last update: 12:01 a.m. EST Jan. 26, 2008

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NEW YORK (MarketWatch) -- Lately, whenever the market has a bad day, the reflex among financial-news editors is to compare our current situation with 1987 and wonder if a "Black Monday"-style crash is on the horizon.
But some observers draw a darker metaphor, noting that much of what we are seeing now also took place in 1929. As we know, that meltdown -- unlike the 1987 crash -- was not followed by a happy ending, but rather by a decade of poverty, shantytowns and sporadic famine.
Popular imagination has the Great Depression opening with a bang in October 1929. We forget that even by December of that year, the market had no idea what was really in store. After a period of wild, bipolar volatility, stocks had taken two big tumbles (a 12.8% drop on Oct. 28 and an 11.7% fall the next day) while the top bankers and "captains of industry" rushed to shore up the market. By November, the Dow had hit its low for the year at 198, down from the giddy September high of 381.
But, the financial pundits and government leaders of the day insisted, the economy's fundamentals were still strong. Mass unemployment was, some months after the crash, still just something that went on in Germany and Britain. America was strong and merely needed a push to keep the financial markets from harming the broader economy.
With that in mind, Herbert Hoover -- only nine months into his presidency -- assembled leaders from the public and private sectors to create an economic-stimulus package. Among the measures, Time magazine reported at the time, was a promise from Congress to offer bipartisan support for a tax-cut package. The proposal called for $160 million in tax relief -- only about $22 billion if adjusted against the gross domestic product at the time, and therefore much smaller than the plan under consideration here in 2008. Read Time's original coverage of the plan.
Also on the table was an assurance from the Federal Reserve that it would provide cheaper credit. Granted, the Fed had much less power over the money supply in those days, mainly because the amount of liquidity it could create was limited by the supply of gold it held to back the dollar.
Of course, there were a litany of public-works projects, plans for new corporate investments, and even a promise by Henry Ford to raise wages at his auto plants.
None of this worked. What was first seen as speed bump to the expansion of American finance became something much larger. The Dow continued falling, hitting 157 in 1930, 73 in 1931 and finally a mere 41 points in 1932. It did not reach its 1929 high again until 1954, a generation later.
Certainly, our economy now has far more differences than similarities with the economy of 1929, and few expect a new depression for the decade ahead. But it's also worth remembering that the best laid plans of presidents, chief executives and senators can sometimes come to nothing.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/grea...42B3CB838AE9%7D
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